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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby Tatau » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:23 pm

hmmm i dont want to open my mouth too much, coz its look like you havent done any owrk on field but just sit their and collect. Well ...
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby Manulua » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:10 pm

Kainga Tonga, 'oua te mou tui ki he puhi veve 'a California. He 'oku ta'e ako, ta'e mahino, mo e kaimumu'a. Kapau te mou vakai ki he 'u website fkpolinisia, 'e 'asi 'ene ngaahi fa'ufa'u loi ta'e'i'ilo kau ki he histolia 'o Tonga. Ko 'ene feinga'i 'e ia ke fklangilangi'i 'a Manu'a ke pehe ko e ki'i motu fktupu'a katoa. Kapua te mou fktokanga'i 'ene 'u quotes mo 'ene ngaahi references, 'oku tanaki katoa mei he initaneti, 'o ne hanga 'o miomio'i ke fkpoupou'i 'ene agenda. Tonu ke 'akahi 'ae masi'i ko eni mei he forum he 'oku vale ta'eako.

CALIFORNIA, if Manu'a was such a great place then why did your family leave? And why don't you move back there and truly live out all the great and wonderful things about Manu'a that you always proclaim on all the Pacific island websites? You don't speak Tongan and you never grew up Tongan so please don't try and write our history for us. Tonga had a thriving and rich history way before you manukan's were involved. And thankfully none of that is written in English on the internet so it saves us the headache of having you reinterpret all of it in your own words. I've been to Ta'u, 'Olosega, and 'Ofu and they're desolate little tiny islands where people don't care about all the stuff you preach. THey are generally nice people like most of the other islanders, and they don't carry all the baggage you have as an insecure Manukan who is out of touch with the homeland.

Please live in a culture first and speak their language before you start to dissect it into what YOU think is right. There are many different versions of history, and being Tongan, I'm going to believe what my parents and grandparents taught me rather than some random person named "CALIFORNIA" who isn't Tongan. You're no different than every Palangi who comes into the islands and tries to interpret things from their own Western view.

BTW, pick up a book and read it and stop relying on the internet for your research. You should praise the white people for coming up with the internet because that's the only reason why you think you know so much.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby California » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:46 am

Manulua

Manu'a had its time but Im not speaking of Manu'a Im speaking of Upolu and a dynasty strongly connected to it the Tui Kanokupolu which means Heart/Flesh of Upolu dynasty.

Do you know why the Haa Tufunga hold the Samoan To'oto'o and Fue? Because the Samoans of the Tui Kanokupolu Line were from Safata in Tuamasaga (Upolu). The To'oto'o and Fue are the original Chiefly and authority icons of the Tuamasaga Clan of Upolu (Tui Samau). Also the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty was strongly influenced by Samoans of Upolu. The whole political system of the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty followed the Upolu Matai System such as Ali'i (Eiki), Fale Upolu (Fale Kanokupolu), Fono (Fale Haakili), Tulafale (Matapule), Sa (Ha'a), Aiga (Kainga) etc...

Tui Tonga Dynasty did not run a political system similiar to the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty. They were 2 different political systems Tui Tonga Political system dealt with the Fale Fa, Tui Fale Ua etc. Tui Tonga political system was similiar to that of Manu'a with Tui Manu'az Fale Tolu etc... The Tui Kanokupolu Political System was no doubt similiar to the Samoan Matai System of Upolu. The Samoan Matai System of Upolu was established in Hihifo by the Samoans for Ngata etc.... Like I stated before the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty brought many of there Samoan Familu from Upolu to To support the Kanokupolu Line in Tonga for the Kanokupolu Line did everything the Faa Samoa way.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby jazz » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:15 am

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

lol! Tatau and Manulua, don't sweat it! I would rather take the words handed down by our
forefathers than any stranger, palangi, or whatever any day.!..I don't even read most of the long
winded rubbish ha!ha!ha! If its worth anything go publish it, maybe somebody will buy it I don't.. well my grandpa should know where he originated from and he says Fiji not Samoa hihihihihihi go figure!!!!
much ofasssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!


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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby California » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:29 am

Jaz

Why believe lies when the truth is in front of you? Tonga dont practice Samoan Dances, Customs, Language etc for no reason. The Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty was a big reason for that for it followed Upolu Ways.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby Manulua » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:26 pm

There you go again.. with your internet facts. Where are all these thousands of Samoans that were brought to Tonga? I'm from Hihifo and there are NO Samoan communities there. There are about 4 women who speak Samoan, but only because they warm they're Tongan man's bed. My grandfather is from Hihifo and he does not recall thousands of Samoans living in Tonga... If there were that many and if They were such an influence than wouldn't you think Tongans would be speaking Samoan? You don't make any sense and it's sad to think that you're influencing people who don't know any better with your self proclaimed professorial rubbish. What are your credentials by the way and where's you degree? Or is it an Internet degree from the university of Manu'a.com? LMAO!!

STICK TO YOUR OWN MANUATELE MO SAMOA ATOA site and stop coming into our Tongan community with your fkpalangi ways. *Sasa your muli!*

Tu'a 'Ofa atu kiate kimoutolu hono katoa.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby jazz » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:03 pm

:P :P :P :P :P

Thank you so very much Cali, and whose truth are you refferring to?
There are only 2 truths I care about #1 is God's and #2 is my family's..
Sorry, we do know who we are, but DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE?
Are you so lost that you have to research for yourself ?? lol!
much ofasssssssssssssssssssssssss


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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby Tatau » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:35 pm

Manu'a had its time but Im not speaking of Manu'a Im speaking of Upolu and a dynasty strongly connected to it the Tui Kanokupolu which means Heart/Flesh of Upolu dynasty.

(I TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR FROM. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT TONGAN SO I WONDER IF YOU ARE A SAMOA MO'I)

SE KAEPUU, LEI AI MO KAE A SE SAMOA SA FAI I TONGA...O LE FEAGAINA LA SA OSI AE LEAI E UFA A SE SAMOA SA FAI IA SUI AI LE FAAVAE MA LE AGANUU O TONGA. SAMOA SA OPEOPEA I LE VANIMONIMO LEAI E TAUNUUGA I LE NA TAIMI.



Do you know why the Haa Tufunga hold the Samoan To'oto'o and Fue? Because the Samoans of the Tui Kanokupolu Line were from Safata in Tuamasaga (Upolu). The To'oto'o and Fue are the original Chiefly and authority icons of the Tuamasaga Clan of Upolu (Tui Samau). Also the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty was strongly influenced by Samoans of Upolu. The whole political system of the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty followed the Upolu Matai System such as Ali'i (Eiki), Fale Upolu (Fale Kanokupolu), Fono (Fale Haakili), Tulafale (Matapule), Sa (Ha'a), Aiga (Kainga) etc...

SEE UFA, E LEAI. O LAUAKI LAVA IA MA LANA AU USO E OO MAI MAI LE FAASALELEAGA, I ITU AMOA. O LE ANGANUU LAVA O TONGA IA, NA MAFUA AI ONA AUOMAI O LAUAKI E FAI LENA TIUTE. ONA FAAAUAU MAI AI E ONA AU TUPULANGA E OO MAI I LE ASO.

Tui Tonga Dynasty did not run a political system similiar to the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty. They were 2 different political systems Tui Tonga Political system dealt with the Fale Fa, Tui Fale Ua etc. Tui Tonga political system was similiar to that of Manu'a with Tui Manu'az Fale Tolu etc... The Tui Kanokupolu Political System was no doubt similiar to the Samoan Matai System of Upolu. The Samoan Matai System of Upolu was established in Hihifo by the Samoans for Ngata etc.... Like I stated before the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty brought many of there Samoan Familu from Upolu to To support the Kanokupolu Line in Tonga for the Kanokupolu Line did everything the Faa Samoa way.

MAFAFAU I LAU FAAMATALAGA PE O LE FEA LENA VAITAIMI SA TUPU AI LENA MEA... E TE SILAFIA, E LEI MAFAI O FAATAUNUU VAGANA E FINAGALO AI E LE TUI TONGA, TAIMI LENA E LEI TUI GATA.

SE CALEFONIA, FAIFAI LELEI MAI, E LE O SE VALE TAGATA E FAI AI LAU FAAMATALAGA. E AKA LAVA MATOU I LE NUS PE O FEA ETE SAU AI, O FEA E MAU MAI AI LAU FAAMATALA. FAIFAI LELEI, LE TUPU LANGA O SAMOA MO TONGA TE'I YOU TA'I SESE. ALU O FAI SAU GALUEGA AOGA.

FA LA 'IA.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby California » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:15 pm

Manulua wrote:There you go again.. with your internet facts. Where are all these thousands of Samoans that were brought to Tonga? I'm from Hihifo and there are NO Samoan communities there. There are about 4 women who speak Samoan, but only because they warm they're Tongan man's bed. My grandfather is from Hihifo and he does not recall thousands of Samoans living in Tonga... If there were that many and if They were such an influence than wouldn't you think Tongans would be speaking Samoan? You don't make any sense and it's sad to think that you're influencing people who don't know any better with your self proclaimed professorial rubbish. What are your credentials by the way and where's you degree? Or is it an Internet degree from the university of Manu'a.com? LMAO!!

STICK TO YOUR OWN MANUATELE MO SAMOA ATOA site and stop coming into our Tongan community with your fkpalangi ways. *Sasa your muli!*

Tu'a 'Ofa atu kiate kimoutolu hono katoa.


Manulua you can deny it all you want I am only addressing facts. The influence of Upolu dominated Tonga through the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty a dynasty strongly influenced by Upolu and traces roots to Upolu. Tui Kanokupolu Taufaahau Tupou 1 didnt travel to Samoa to wear the Samoan Pe'a for nothing.
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Re: TUI KANOKUPOLU DYNASTY

Postby California » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:34 pm

Tatau wrote:Manu'a had its time but Im not speaking of Manu'a Im speaking of Upolu and a dynasty strongly connected to it the Tui Kanokupolu which means Heart/Flesh of Upolu dynasty.

(I TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR FROM. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT TONGAN SO I WONDER IF YOU ARE A SAMOA MO'I)

SE KAEPUU, LEI AI MO KAE A SE SAMOA SA FAI I TONGA...O LE FEAGAINA LA SA OSI AE LEAI E UFA A SE SAMOA SA FAI IA SUI AI LE FAAVAE MA LE AGANUU O TONGA. SAMOA SA OPEOPEA I LE VANIMONIMO LEAI E TAUNUUGA I LE NA TAIMI.



Do you know why the Haa Tufunga hold the Samoan To'oto'o and Fue? Because the Samoans of the Tui Kanokupolu Line were from Safata in Tuamasaga (Upolu). The To'oto'o and Fue are the original Chiefly and authority icons of the Tuamasaga Clan of Upolu (Tui Samau). Also the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty was strongly influenced by Samoans of Upolu. The whole political system of the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty followed the Upolu Matai System such as Ali'i (Eiki), Fale Upolu (Fale Kanokupolu), Fono (Fale Haakili), Tulafale (Matapule), Sa (Ha'a), Aiga (Kainga) etc...

SEE UFA, E LEAI. O LAUAKI LAVA IA MA LANA AU USO E OO MAI MAI LE FAASALELEAGA, I ITU AMOA. O LE ANGANUU LAVA O TONGA IA, NA MAFUA AI ONA AUOMAI O LAUAKI E FAI LENA TIUTE. ONA FAAAUAU MAI AI E ONA AU TUPULANGA E OO MAI I LE ASO.

Tui Tonga Dynasty did not run a political system similiar to the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty. They were 2 different political systems Tui Tonga Political system dealt with the Fale Fa, Tui Fale Ua etc. Tui Tonga political system was similiar to that of Manu'a with Tui Manu'az Fale Tolu etc... The Tui Kanokupolu Political System was no doubt similiar to the Samoan Matai System of Upolu. The Samoan Matai System of Upolu was established in Hihifo by the Samoans for Ngata etc.... Like I stated before the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty brought many of there Samoan Familu from Upolu to To support the Kanokupolu Line in Tonga for the Kanokupolu Line did everything the Faa Samoa way.

MAFAFAU I LAU FAAMATALAGA PE O LE FEA LENA VAITAIMI SA TUPU AI LENA MEA... E TE SILAFIA, E LEI MAFAI O FAATAUNUU VAGANA E FINAGALO AI E LE TUI TONGA, TAIMI LENA E LEI TUI GATA.

SE CALEFONIA, FAIFAI LELEI MAI, E LE O SE VALE TAGATA E FAI AI LAU FAAMATALAGA. E AKA LAVA MATOU I LE NUS PE O FEA ETE SAU AI, O FEA E MAU MAI AI LAU FAAMATALA. FAIFAI LELEI, LE TUPU LANGA O SAMOA MO TONGA TE'I YOU TA'I SESE. ALU O FAI SAU GALUEGA AOGA.

FA LA 'IA.


Tatau

How is it you speak Samoan but dont know true history about both Samoa and Tonga? Instead you feed only on Tongan History?

Tui Manu'a had his time as well as Tui Tonga but both were overshadowed by Upolu dominance. There were titles created by Tui Tonga that are apart of Samoa but that is mainly it just titles and a war that lead to his defeat in Samoa. Tonga on the other hand was strongly influenced by Upolu due to the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty. The Upolu political system, Samoan dances, Samoan last names, Royal Language, Royal Lines, Haa Tufunga, Taumafa Kava, place names, Samoan Customs, etc all Samoan influence in Tonga etc...
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